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Old 11-23-2007, 12:28 PM   #11
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Thank you for you responce, yes, if you know how to hand feed safely then please do so.
You do not mention the birds throwing up, so its safe to say they are keeping down what little they maybe be eating, hand feeding (I would do).
You mention your other bird becoming ill, this tells me there's something happening within the home.
Hows your water source?, we humans can tolerate a certain amount of bacteria found in most common tap water, birds can't, best to boil your tap water and let stand 24 hours before offering it to your little friends, or maybe begin to (if you aren't already) offering bottled water.
It will always be best to store the boiled water in a glass container.
There's a certain amount of stress the bird will endure during handfeeding, this is why I power feed here, place the tip of the syringe into the back of the throat area and (one plunge) fill the crop.
Get in-get out type of situation, this is why I ask what size of syringe you have, If you are using a small syringe then offer a full syringe and feel the crop, if it feels like it could use more than give maybe a half syringe, be sure the crop is completely empty in between each feeding...but then you knows this....
I am pleased the birds are getting the right dosage, you are doing a great job.
Please know you are doing all that you can, again, I am not a vet simply a certified rescue rehabber whom has been around the block a few times.
Everyone who has responded has offered very sound advice, if possible dilute some gatorade 50 50 and use to mix the formula.
If you do not have any Gatorade on hand please boil some water and let stand for 24 hrs, add a pinch of salt and a pinch of sugar to one cup of water, stir well and use this when mixing the formula.
Please let us know how things are going, we will help if we can.
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Old 11-23-2007, 02:01 PM   #12
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Instant Ounces Emergency Food For Birds

When an emergency strikes be ready with Instant ounces. Instant Ounces contains essential nutrients, enzymes, vitamins, minerals, calories and electrolytes, and is a must for baby birds not gaining weight. High calorie, low fat, emergency powder supplies much needed energy and nutrition for injured, sick or newly-hatched birds. Instant Ounces can be mixed with medication, hand feeding formula or other soft foods.

I have not used this myself, but I have heard only good things about it.

Once the baytril course is finished, please DO NOT stop before the end, yogurt adds good bacteria. ACV in the water once a week may also be a good idea if the water is a problem. I don't think that ACV and rehydrates can be mixed together but I don't know.

Have they been tested for giardia? What does the poop look like, or what did it look like before dehydration? Just a thought, not a vet.
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Old 11-23-2007, 03:29 PM   #13
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Arty/Angie

Thanks. The other bird came from the same place... I am pretty sure it is nothing in the water or apartment as my other birds have not been sick up to this point. I had been told that if it is a bacterial infection they are "cyclic" and the symptoms can come and go? Mojo, the one who just finished his Baytril course a week ago was extremely hard to wean. When he started showing symptoms of being sick (funky poop, fluffed up) he wanted to be handfed again and I did handfeed him for a couple days until he started eating on his own again. I was told that him being sick could be why when he was weaning he would want to handfeed really bad some days and completely refuse others... I don't know...

Called the vets and they didn't have anything back, now they are saying 7-10 days instead of 3-4 and that the vet would call me back.. agh.
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Old 11-23-2007, 03:56 PM   #14
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Cyclic can be an indication of not enough good bacteria being replaced. The bad bacteria gets strong again if the antibiotics were not specific enough or the course too short. Yogurt can help or vits as Arty suggested. A parasite such as giardia can also cause symptoms like this. Cultures can take a while, it probably means the vets are looking in the direction of bacteria rather than parasite. They will be searching for antibiotic specific for what is making the birdie sick.
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Old 11-23-2007, 11:01 PM   #15
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Art,

Did you get my PM? Thanks, again. If I need to I will try that. They are eating on their own and I will check their weight to make sure they are gaining. I spoke with the vet today who said that it sounds like they are doing well on the Baytril and that she should hopefully have results back on Monday from the bloodwork. So the plan now is to continue the current course until Sunday and call her if anything arises in the mean time.

Angie - their poop is still runny so I think they are getting enough fluids. They are Linnie's and I'm told their poop normally runs more liquidy than other birds because they drink more. If it wasn't, I would be worried. I will have to look up the Instant Ounces just to have on hand should I need it in the future. Thanks for the info as well.
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Old 11-24-2007, 07:03 AM   #16
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Yes, I read your PM, Sadly there are those that simply don't care for there birds as they should, I am so happy they have found you.
I am very happy to hear they are eating, lets pray they fully recover.
There has been some great advice given from our members, I am very grateful to everyone who has reached out to help Andreya and her little friends.
Please, if its not to much trouble, please keep us updated.
You maybe way up north, but these last few days it seems as if we all have been right there with you, I personally have been thinking about you and your babies quite often and head for this thread to hear any new words you have posted.
I will continue to check in on this thread and help when I can.
Prayers your way
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Old 11-24-2007, 08:48 AM   #17
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You maybe way up north, but these last few days it seems as if we all have been right there with you, I personally have been thinking about you and your babies quite often and head for this thread to hear any new words you have posted.
I'm with you Arty, I woke up in the middle of the night thinking of Andi's babies.

I hope they continue to improve. Many prayers being sent for their speedy recovery. Thank you so much Andi for everything you're trying to do for them.
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Old 11-24-2007, 11:58 AM   #18
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Arty/Karen,

Thanks for caring. It means a lot. I have a few in my life who absolutely don't understand why I've been so upset and it's good to know that I have people who understand. They aren't real tame, I've just taught them to step up recently and they are the messiest birds I have ever had...but I wouldn't do any less for them than I would any of my other birds. Between Mojo and the Linnie's I've had sick birds now for nearly a month and I will just be happy when I know that they are all okay again.

You all have had a lot of great information and it is much appreciated.
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Old 11-24-2007, 01:08 PM   #19
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You haven't seen nothin girl, wait til a Lory finds his/her way to you.
Lory's "being nectur birds", can really open your eyes to a real mess.
Please let us know if there are any more changes.
We are here for you and your little ones.
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Old 11-24-2007, 01:15 PM   #20
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Arty,

They are beautiful, but I think that is one mess I could stand to live without.

The babies were looking good this morning. Hard to keep ahold of, which is good and poor Suki even stepped up onto my finger before she realized what was coming. LOL One more day and hopefully they won't need anymore and I can suck up to them for a while to make up for the torture this week.
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