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Old 10-03-2008, 08:18 PM   #1
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Default Droppings - Budgies or small Parrots

This is a Budgie topic only because the droppings we are talking about are theirs & not the larger variety. I don't know if the small birds like P'lets & Linnie are similar.

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Understanding your bird's droppings could save your bird's life.

It is true that when a bird becomes sick that their health can deteriorate quickly. But it's rarely true that when a bird become sick, it dies suddenly without showing symptoms of illness. The symptoms are there, we just have to learn how to recognize them.
Having just lost a bird & his droppings seemed to change over night I was very interested in what was written here.

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Changes in the droppings can be a very early indicator that the bird is sick. Know what normal droppings look like so you can recognize a change in color, consistency, order, and/or amount. Use paper at the bottom of the cage so that the dropping falls flat and clean onto the paper. This will enable you to recognize any changes in color, consistency, order, and/or amount. If you are able to notice this change you could save your bird's life.

If you use wood shavings at the bottom of your cage and you miss a change in color and consistency in the droppings then you failed your bird. It is wrong to use wood shavings at the bottom of your cage so that it looks nice and you do not have to clean the bottom of your cage as often if it interferes with evaluating the droppings for signs of health problems.

There are three components to most droppings. Urine consists of a crystal urine called urates (white chalky material) and a non-crystal urine called urine (clear water). Sometimes the 2 types of urine are mixed, creating a cloudy white urine.

Important changes include color changes and amount.

Green or yellow urates = Liver Disease, Anorexia

Brown or chocolate urates
= Lead Poisoning Red urine or urates

Red Urine or Urates = Internal bleeding

Increased urine = Disease, Eating food high in water, Drinking a lot

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Watch your bird's droppings everyday and learn what they look like normally. When you notice a change, identify what portion of the dropping has changed. If you cannot explain the change by the bird's lifestyle, then act immediately and contact your avian veterinarian.

Courtesy of Dr. David J. Kersting, D.V.M.
Perhaps my inexperience at recognising all the signs in the droppings, left us wondering more than we needed to.
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Old 10-03-2008, 08:27 PM   #2
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I do pay attention to droppings often and try to take note of any differences & causes. Sometimes I think it can be difficult to determine if something is odd when the bird is acting normal and everything seems to be in check - so usually if something seems slightly off I monitor the droppings over the course of a few hours and as long as things have gone back on track I tend to not worry.

I do see increased urine after they bathe because often they drink a lot when they bathe. I also sometimes see increased urine when they eat more vegetables (sometimes the extra water is just that from the washing).
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Old 10-03-2008, 08:40 PM   #3
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I watch all the time too. I am thinking I am not so experienced to say what shifts into questionable from normal. Laker had a bought over a year ago when he had wet droppings & appeared to be straining - I thought it was related to bark he was chewing. I sanded the bark off & I treated his water with Apple Cider Vinegar - a day later all was normal.

Somehow I didn't worry overly about the size change & the moisture around the droppings, on the paper, in Laker's case appeared a greenish tint near the end. The droppings also were very black.

They also seem pretty 'black' sometimes when dry - perhaps a bit greeny/brown when fresh & I think that is normal??

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Old 10-04-2008, 07:05 PM   #4
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I too pay attention to my birds droppings. The budgies droppings are not nearly as affected by what they eat as my linnie. Her droppings are entirely different from a budgie. For one think she does not eliminate at all at night while the budgies go all night long.
A linnies first morning poop is HUGE and very wet. The remainder of the day the droppings are smaller in size. If she eats a lot of orange color veggies her poop is orange color.
The bird I had prior to Spice was a baby. He died within about a week of my getting him. His droppings changed to almost total water several hours before he died.
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Old 10-04-2008, 08:45 PM   #5
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Thanks Nancy for that info on Linnies. I have no info on the droppings of other small parrots.

Laker ended up like your baby - perhaps the final stages of any internal dysfunction.

Budgie dropping may be unique looking. In fact each species may be different all the way to the biggest?

When I had my friend's Senegal over, her droppings looked like mini GRey droppings - or rather like you see when a Gull flies by - in both cases.

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The last thing you really want to use to treat diarrhoea are Anti-biotics, as the guts' natural Good Bacteria is already compromised and using Anti-B's kills off bacteria - both good and bad.

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This is of course exactly what the Vet did for Laker.
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perhaps a bit greeny/brown when fresh & I think that is normal??
This is generally what I see as normal too, slightly green or brown.

There have been times where Winston's weren't perfect in formation (you know, not the little perfect circel - I swear budgie poop is so nice to deal with! Lulu's poops are much bigger and messier lol). But I still saw separation of feces, urates, and urine. If they are not entirely normal looking that's the first thing I look for, is proper coloring of the components and proper separation of the components.
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Just wanted to add as I didn't see it with the abnormal droppings list, but smelly droppings (sulfur smell or other rotten smell) indicates bacterial infection.
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Just wanted to add as I didn't see it with the abnormal droppings list, but smelly droppings (sulfur smell or other rotten smell) indicates bacterial infection.
Good point - thanks.
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Poop. Funny subject. I have to watch Buddy's poo and the iguana poo. Very simular really. With the iguanas it has to have three components. A clear like gewing liquid. A white almost powder when it drys. And a black more solid poo. With Buddy its sorta cute really. It amazed me to see it the first time. Its like a little tiny ball. It formed like a roled up snake. It has a white clear and darker color to it too. Almost like in sections of the role. It is kind of cool looking for poo. Is this normal? ~Jenna
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Any other P'let owners can help here?


I am almost at the point were I'm going to photo document it & keep a journal! It might be the only thing to keep my sanity & help me see any changes & what they might be related to diet or chewing anything.
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