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03-17-2008, 12:40 PM
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#22 | | | Re: Amozon hormonal advise Ah, interesting. Opportunistic breeding would be the better strategy for equatorials. I didn't know that they would change their strategy to seasonal breeding under different conditions, but it makes sense. Right, BFA's are from Bolivia, Paraguay, and northern Argentina, still in the neighborhood of the 0 to 20 degree latitude range I mentioned as being native for most Zons. Far enough from the equator to dictate seasonal breeding strategies, for sure.
So I wonder........if we were to keep them at a steady 12 hours of daylight year-round, would they adopt an opportunistic strategy, and what would that look like? Would the slightest change in living conditions or diet possibly throw them into breeding mode? Or would they be unable go opportunistic because of a lack of other stimuli? Would hormonal output be stagnated altogether? |
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03-18-2008, 12:34 PM
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#25 | | | Re: Amozon hormonal advise That is an interesting question, Nate: whether seasonal breeders would become opportunistic breeders if exposed to long days all year round. Let's see... I know that seasonal breeders have a species-specific and genetic point of refractoriness so, as long as you hit it, they will have gonadal growth. And I know there are studies that show that half an hour either way can make all the difference (11.5 L/12.5 D versus 12.5 L/11.5 D) so it would have to be more than 12 hours of light and less than 12 hours of dark for them to breed. I also know that they don't breed if there isn't enough food. They might go through courtship, nesting and even laying but they will abandon the eggs or stop feeding the babies if they perceive the food supply not to be sufficient or adequate. I also know that there is no natural species that will lay all year round non-stop (the only ones that do it are domesticated species like chickens or doves) for the simple reason that they get depleted after a number of clutches and would eventually die (that's why cockatiels, lovebirds and other opportunistic breeding species in captivity become chronic layers and eggbound so easily) so I would assume that, yes, given the exact right conditions, they could become opportunistic breeders.
And yes, diet is a major trigger for captive birds from opportunistic breeding species because we feed them way too much protein. |
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03-18-2008, 02:38 PM
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#26 | | | Re: Amozon hormonal advise As a novice all the information from different experts seems to contradict each other and it is very confusing. This web site is saying to limit sugars and starches to control there hormones. Amazon Parrot Behavior Revealed
There are also many sites that say to limit proteins to help with hormones. I wonder if they have studded different species and that proteins effect one species and sugar and starches effect another, maybe depending on what foods were abundant in their natural habitat.
What is your opinion? |
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03-18-2008, 03:53 PM
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#27 | | | Re: Amozon hormonal advise Well, I think you could do worse than to figure that in the wild, proteins, starches and sugars are found in abundance on a somewhat limited and seasonal basis. Breeding and nesting behavior is usually directly tied to the arrival of abundant food supply. I think that holds true whether the habitat is tropical (rainy season vs. dry season) or temperate (spring-summer vs. fall-winter). I would think there must have been species specific studies done about natural foods, possibly with an eye to hormone production, but if not one could extrapolate perhaps.
Feeding the wrong type of diet for a given species can cause health impacts way beyond hormonal behavior, particularly for some. I'm thinking of Ekkies here, for instance. Their natural diet is very low in protein and many other nutrients, and a nutrient rich diet that might be suitable for other parrots can really wreak havoc on an Ekkie's system. I'm inclined to think that this may hold true for many other parrots as well, but just doesn't always manifest itself so dramatically as with Ekkies. Something I'd like to look into further. |
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03-20-2008, 07:34 AM
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#30 | | | Re: Amozon hormonal advise Ditto. I don't only keep them to a strict natural daylight schedule (all of them, temperate and tropical clime birds) but I also change their diets. In the spring I give more tender greens and protein in the form of added legumes (not seeds! they get the same amount of those all year round but I do give them an occasional almond for the extra vitamin E) and this diet gradually grows into the summer one when I give more fruits, veggies and greens until molt starts when I give them more carbs and extra sesame seeds for the methionine needed for feather production. This continues into fall until they finish the molt and then I gradually bring them into the winter diet when I give them more hardy greens, root veggies, less protein, less fruits and smaller portions (the days are shorter so there is less energy been used and birds in the wild always get less food during the off-season).
As to breeding, yes, protein, carbs and vitamin E are breeding food.
Also, excess protein combined with long days can trigger an off-season molt.
Last edited by Beatriz Cazeneuve; 03-20-2008 at 07:37 AM.
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