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Old 04-17-2007, 12:53 PM   #11
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Darn... hmm- back to the old drawing board!
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Old 04-17-2007, 01:56 PM   #12
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Thank you! and yes... the reasoning explained to me, is that while the vinegar WILL remove the rust, it also freshly exposes a whole new layer to the elements, thus creating rust where it was holding up just fine.

I forgot to mention something VERY important though, please thuroughly wash and brush new wire as it may still have manufacturing substances loose on the surface.


Then again, I've been told by people that "know" people who run aviaries, that they have "been vinegar washing for years and years" with now ill effect on their birds. The view on vinegar that I have presented is NOT the most popular one.... so do some research! Talk to a chemist! (I did, well at least to someone with a degree in chemistry anyway) And my choice is wire brush and frequent inspection.
i'm sure, sarah could contribute here too - personally i agree with the above statement... absolutely and 100%... i'm not a big vinegar fan myself, and only use it for cleaning my bathroom, i stick to lots of water and GSE for the bird stuff...

for interested people:
vinegar is diluted acetic acid (about 3vol%)... rust is iron oxide formed by air oxidation... (there's usually some sort of protective layer - either coating, or a purposely added oxide layer) these oxides are soluble in acetic solutions, as well as most metals to an extent (everybody's heard of the story of metal objects disappearing in acid)...
if the steel/iron rusts, cleaning it off with an acid solution exposes a "fresh" layer of unoxidized metal which then can oxidize in air again breaking off more of the protective layer, and voila - more rust
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Old 04-17-2007, 02:40 PM   #13
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vinegar is diluted acetic acid (about 3vol%)... rust is iron oxide formed by air oxidation... (there's usually some sort of protective layer - either coating, or a purposely added oxide layer) these oxides are soluble in acetic solutions, as well as most metals to an extent (everybody's heard of the story of metal objects disappearing in acid)...
if the steel/iron rusts, cleaning it off with an acid solution exposes a "fresh" layer of unoxidized metal which then can oxidize in air again breaking off more of the protective layer, and voila - more rust
Very interesting. Thank you for this information. Do you feel that vinegar can aid in breaking down the powder coating on cages or does it just affect the raw metals?
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Old 04-25-2007, 03:37 AM   #14
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After reading the below article about Galvanized Wire I am going to check into the powder coated dog kennels, that Jodi mentioned.

I found these which look like a good possibility for Macaws for supervised outdoor use.



Beaver Valley Supply Company - Powder River Dog Kennels

I am going to get in touch with the company and ask some questions about the powder coating and what's under the PC.

Components and Manufacturing Techniques for Indoor Birdcages Article
What's Everyone Squawking About?

One of the most common materials used to make bird cages is steel. Steel is composed of iron and carbon and, if left untreated, oxidizes very easily. Grades of steel differ primarily in purity, varying in carbon or other alloy content. Higher grades of steel are typically subjected to heating processes that result in a tempered product with a smoother finish. Wrought iron and cold rolled steel are similar types of carbon steel, with wrought iron having a less finished surface and rougher texture, and cold rolled steel having a more finished, smoother surface. Hot rolled steel is subjected to additional heating processes that result in an even smoother finish. Regardless of how the carbon steel is produced, it must be finished with an anticorrosive material to prevent oxidation.

The best way to prevent corrosion and add tensile strength to steel is to add the elements chromium and nickel, producing stainless steel (S/S). Stainless steel cages have become extremely popular in the last few years as consumers demanded safer, longer lasting, and more beautiful enclosures. Stainless steel cages are designed to last for 50 years. If designed well, they provide a safe, secure, beautiful, and easy to maintain enclosure. The high cost of these enclosures reflects the increased costs of raw materials and more labor intensive construction techniques. Stainless steel cages are most commonly used to house larger psittacine species. They are particularly well suited for large macaws and cockatoos which are capable of dismantling inferior materials. Stainless steel cages have also become popular for many medium sized birds. Even though these birds usually do not test the structural integrity of the enclosure, stainless steel cages provides a safe, lasting, easy to maintain environment for pet birds.

Powder coating is a technique commonly used to prevent corrosion of steel. It provides a durable finish that helps protect steel components. Powder coating involves the electrostatic application of a specialized paint, followed by high temperature baking. The finished product is versatile and attractive. Although originally designed for lawn furniture, this technique caught on in bird cage production. Some of the original powder coating formulas contained high levels of zinc to harden the finish and speed curing time. Most formulas currently in use have eliminated the need for zinc. Variability in paint formulas and application processes will affect the finished product and can result in chipping, peeling, and corrosion. Most cages commercially available today for medium and large psittacines species are powder coated steel. These cages, if properly manufactured, will provide decades of service and functional, safe, beautiful enclosures. Recent market trends show a rising demand for powder coated cages for smaller birds like budgerigars, cockatiels, and lovebirds.

While powder coated steel is the safest type of painted cage, some manufacturers sell powder coated galvanized wire cages as an inexpensive alternative. These cages pose an increased risk of zinc consumption. In many cases this is due to the fact that proper preparation for powder coating involves some roughening of the surface to be painted. This roughening can pit the galvanized surface and result in irregularities. Powder coating often adheres poorly to slick galvanized surfaces and can quickly peel and flake. The paint flakes can contain high levels of zinc, which has leached from the galvanizing into the powder coating. Pet birds intent on cage chewing can quickly ingest toxic levels of zinc and/or lead which is a common industrial contaminant of some galvanized wire (see below). Unfortunately, most owners who purchase these cages are unaware that they are buying an inferior product.

While stainless or powder coated steel cages are ideal, less expensive methods of preventing corrosion are commonly used in bird cages designed for smaller psittacines, whose owners tend to be more cost conscious. The most commonly used method involves electro-plating steel wire with an inexpensive metal to prevent oxidation and corrosion. Zinc is probably the most commonly used metal for electroplating. Some manufacturers will layer different metals over the steel to achieve the desired result. The resulting wire is usually a shiny silver color but can also be shiny gold. Most electroplated finishes contain at least some zinc. An informal survey of commercially available cages (8 randomly chosen) for smaller parrots revealed zinc levels in the plating from .5% to 42%. Electrostatically applied plating is unlikely to be consumed by a bird as long as the finish is smooth. However, once the cage shows signs of oxidation, pitting, loss of sheen, or white rust, the cage poses unacceptable risk of zinc ingestion, and should be replaced. Cage grates are likely to show degenerative changes first because of the constant exposure to droppings and food waste. Oxidation of these surfaces often result in deposits of elemental zinc. These deposits appear as white burrs or pits. These imperfections can draw the attention of birds. When removed and ingested by birds, these deposits can result in potentially dangerous zinc exposures. Birds that develop behaviors involving chewing, mouthing, or biting the cage are at increased risk and would be safer in a zinc free enclosure.

Another inexpensive method of preventing oxidation involves coating steel or galvanized wire with plastic or vinyl. While these coatings do protect wire from oxidation, they can be easily removed by busy birds. Plastic and vinyl coatings often degrade quickly and flake off the underlying wire. As lead is a common ingredient of plastic and vinyl, pieces of coating ingested by birds can expose the bird to toxic metals. In addition, ingested coating can act as a gastrointestinal irritant, regardless of its metal content. When a vinyl or plastic coating is used over galvanized wire, there is the added risk of zinc ingestion if the wire is chewed on and eaten.

Galvanizing is the process of coating steel wire with zinc by dipping it into molten zinc. This method is the least expensive way of preventing corrosion of steel wire. Galvanized wire can be distinguished from plated wire in that it is a dull gray, rather than a shiny silver. There are two primary types of galvanized wire commercially available. Wire galvanized prior to welding is commonly produced in the Unites States. Wire galvanized after welding is a process more typical of production in United Kingdom, Europe and Asia. Regardless of when the zinc is applied, the welds in most galvanized wire are electrostatic and contain no additional metals. Lead is a common manufacturing contaminant of some galvanizing processes and will obviously increase the risk of problems if consumed. Using higher grades of wire will minimize the risk of lead exposure.

Galvanized cages are the least expensive bird enclosures available, and are often manufactured in large sizes suitable for flight. They are also light and easy to move. Unfortunately the behavior characteristics of many birds include picking at, chewing, and ingesting anything available. For these birds a galvanized cage can pose a huge risk of zinc intoxication. The number of birds adversely affected by these cages is likely under-reported because thorough diagnostics are often not run. The toxic potential of zinc ingestion has been proven but much remains unknown about the impact of chronic, non lethal exposure.1,2,3 In fact, the biologic mechanisms of lethal exposures remain poorly defined.

Properly finishing galvanized wire eliminates blebs and imperfections, making the cage less inviting to chew. Excess material at welds creates easily removable pieces of elemental zinc. If ingested, these pieces can contribute to disease. Wire that is galvanized after welding usually has a smoother surface, and therefore becomes the preferred wire for aviculture. New galvanized wire is often coated with a petroleum based protective oil. If not washed off prior to use, and if ingested, this oil can pose additional health risks. Sheffield Manufacturing, producers of Tinsley Wire, requires that rolls of wire be sold with a warning label advising of the risk of zinc ingestion, of the need to prepare the wire for usage by removing any residues of oil, and of the need to use a soft brush to remove any tags of material. 4

Many aviculturists mistakenly think that treating galvanized wire with a vinegar wash will remove any risk of zinc ingestion. While vinegar will dissolve small, oxidized deposits and hasten their removal with a soft brush, vinegar will not remove the zinc coating from the wire.
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Old 04-25-2007, 03:43 AM   #15
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I have an outdoor aviary, I bought a 10x10 dog kennel...instead of the chain link, I went with the powder coated newer kennels. they have bars rather than the chain link.
Jodi, where did you get yours from?
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I have homemade aviary wire flight cages... and I use the vinegar method and have had no problem..... have had had the brat tiels checked twice for zinc levels... worried birdy mom...

My vet gave me a suggesting on how to slow the rust if not stop the rust problem.. but I am not sure how cost effective it would be with a large aviary..

I have old clean holey socks I save.... put olive, vegatable or safflower (or mix of above depending on what is handy/left) oil on sock. ... and lightly coat wire with oil.. hose off extra... then toss used sock in trash..

I do this with weekly major cage cleaning .. after cleaning cages first with vinegar and brush... rinse... then soapy bleach water..triple rinse to get bleach and all soap residue off.. let air dry then oil ...rinse lightly and dry again before bring back in house..

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