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02-02-2009, 08:06 AM
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#13 | | | Re: Fun Snack And Approved by Several Species That's a whole lot of bad stuff you are putting together as a snack: cones made with sugar and white flour, peanut butter and seeds. Not a healthy thing in the whole recipe.
Please, people, I don't mean to be the party pooper but just because a bird likes something it doesn't make it healthy for him. Peanut butter and seeds are just fat and protein, two foods that should be very carefully monitored in terms of quantities. My birds never, ever get peanut butter and they don't miss it at all. Why not try healthy snacks instead... things like dry figs and dates or dried pineapple/mango/papaya (as long as it's low sugar and unsulfured), a piece of fresh coconut, a small piece of natural sugar cane, organic Wassa bread or graham crackers, birdy pizza, a small sweet potato latke, etc. There are so many good, healthy things you can give a bird why feed it stuff that is not good for him? |
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02-04-2009, 11:50 AM
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#19 | | | Re: Fun Snack And Approved by Several Species Barb, if your avian vet says she has been one for over 50 years, she is not only not telling the truth (there were no avian vets 50 years ago) but she is also due for retirement -LOL
And I am not saying that your vet does not give good advice, I am sure she does on what pertains to her expertise. All I am saying is that avian vets are, usually, not more knowledgeable about birds nutritional needs than we are. I think that people expect too much of avian vets, especially when it comes to behavior and nutrition, two subjects that they learn the same way we do, as they go along, and not because they actually study them in the university. People forget that avian vets need to be regular vets first, that means learning the physiology and pathology of A LOT of very different species. Then they specialize in birds, and that means learning the physiology and pathology of even MORE species. It's actually impossible for any normal person to remember everything about so many different animals. To that huge load, we add the expectation of them knowing about the behaviors and diet of hundreds of both captive and wild avian species. How could they possibly manage this impossible feat? Do you really think that good avian vets have the time to do hours of research on parrots nutrition on a weekly basis? Or have the time to observe and record the digestive adventures of fifty or more birds on a daily basis? Of course not! They are too busy trying to keep up with emergencies, surgeries, diagnosis, consultations, examinations, newly developed techniques, tests, etc. So, when it comes to nutrition, they mostly go by what the manufacturers of bird food tell them (and you will have to forgive me but I don't trust them at all!) So, when it comes to parrots diet, I rely more on the notes and observation of ornithologists or field biologists as well as my experience than what an avian vet who might not even have more than four or five birds of their own tell me.
Besides, one should never compare a human to an undomesticated species. Especially when you are talking about diet. Humans are not only the ultimate domesticated animal, they are also omnivorous by nature. This means that we have developed not only a high tolerance to all kinds of bad things like pollution, toxins, etc but that we also have a digestive system that can process all kinds of food. And that gives us a huge edge over parrots. Undomesticated species don't have the flexibility in terms of diet and resistance that domesticated animals have developed over thousands of genetically manipulated generations. Also, parrots, with notable exceptions, are all herbivores. And the funny thing about herbivores is that they cannot process certain foods but, on the other hand, carnivores can process vegetable matter without much trouble and omnivores can eat ANYTHING and thrive. So omnivores (humans) have an edge over carnivores and carnivores have an edge over herbivores (parrots). Ergo and generally speaking, when it comes to diet range, man has a double edge over parrots. And, to make the difference between what we can eat and what they can eat even wider, most of the bird species we use as companions are canope feeders which means specialized eaters, a physiological requirement that, unfortunately for our birds, we fail miserably to fulfill.
So how can you compare a human, who can digest practically anything and is living in his own natural environment having a snack that is not as healthy as it should be or going to a restaurant for dinner to an undomesticated species that is been fed an unnatural diet (if nothing else, waaayyy too high in protein) and living in an unnatural environment eating something that would never be any good for it? Talk about apples and oranges! And, unfortunately for the birds, this is a very common mistake people make. Bird owners are always, in one way or another, thinking of their birds as 'little people' and they are not. They are birds. And we don't do them any favors when we compare them to people.
Now, I am not completely against giving your bird a little something every now and then that is not 100% good for it. I give mine organic graham crackers made with sugar cane juice which, although not completely bad for them, they are too high in sugar but they only have a small piece on special occasions so it's not too bad. But when you talk about a protein bomb like this treat (at least two tablespoons of peanut butter plus seeds), even once in a while is still not good because ALL OUR BIRDS EAT TOO MUCH PROTEIN as it is. I would much rather they were fed commercial white bread than all that protein!
And yes, of course I eat snacks but a snack is not a synonym of junk food, you know? Plenty of good, healthy stuff for both people and parrots to eat and enjoy... no need for fatty liver in birds and no need for clogged arteries in humans. |
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