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Originally Posted by leighrivera What did YOU think Mark? |
Leigh, I agree he is a big hearty bird. I see a very trusting bird. Maybe...too trusting. I've, even with scared and untrusting Cleo, played a little rough with her until she get's in zon overload and then stop cause she can't control herself and bites very hard. But obviously she doesn't trust me as much as Lenny trusts his owner.
At about 2 minutes into the video,to me,his play gets over the top. I've read to stay away from petting in between the shoulder blades, too much back petting and he is even patting Lenny on his lower back where the tail feathers start, patting. A lot of intentional patting that could lead to sexual stimulation and overbonding. It's where he is patted and rubbed that caught my attention...the rough play is up to the owner as long as the bird isn't bothered and he doesn't appear to try to get away. Cleo LOVES her belly scratched as well.
The bird is obviously not scared or threatened. The owner doesn't appear mean. I'm sure that in the wild, these birds play this hard with their flock.
Also, another big factor is when you read a viewer comment like: "ive got a cockatiel but watching this i want a parrot now". As a tiel owner, I can tell anyone contemplating adding an Amazon to your flock isn't like just adding another pet. Amazons can be very demanding. This bird Lenny is an exceptional one that I hope continues as playful and trusting as he is. He appears young. If he hasn't hit the two's yet, things could change. Cleo's problems apparantly began when she was two, became hormonal and agressive. So, this video, as do so many others out there, can paint an illogical picture of avian ownership. It concerns me that someone with too much $$ and no patience or drive to truly understand birds might see this video and make a rash decision. You don't see any bad behavior videos,( well, I haven't looked for them) of birds screaming at 8 am, calling their flock, tearing up pillows on the sofa, which Cleo did last nite and my wife hasn't found yet. pooping on your Sunday shirt, refusing to stepup and hiding under a kitchen table while you need to go to work, making you bleed, and so on. I don't video those events either, LOL, but they are a realistic part of the picture.
On the other hand, it can entice a potential bird owner to read and know more about owning a bird. So, it's not all bad.
The bird looks happy and healthy and doesn't try to get away, even when he tugs on his tailfeathers. So, I'm sure the bird is fine.
Believe it or not, I respect Cleo's ability to dictate
some decisions. Although I need her to abide by the rules and step up when I need her to and not just if she's in the mood (what I'm working on now), a bird needs to know that it can remain a bird. Our worlds are refined and in order and controlled. When you have a bird, you have stepped into the jungle and only so much of it can be controlled. The rest is raw Mother Nature that you have brought into your home.
This interaction made me think a lot about human and bird behavior/interaction. He comments that Lenny is his "puppy" or some reference to a puppy, the video.
But, like everything else, I guess bird play is individual. To me, this is an example of a bird being too trusting.
Birds are not puppies nor are puppies birds...and I, for one, hope they never are..