Oh well, it was a cute thought thinking I could reunite him or meet the parents. But I really think you're right Angie, I think it'd brighten her day too to know where one of her little ones ended up.

I remember the thread Auction too! Maybe it was her they were talking about?

Also, I guess if I'd had the backbone to drive out there and had known Josh woulda picked me up I could have brought Jean with me and he could have met his grandma there at Todd Marcus's! If I don't get to bring him to florida in march at least he can see her next year if she comes back right?

The auction was her auction. Next year you will be brave enough to drive anywhere, but maybe Florida even sooner.

Thank you for looking it up Angie. It makes me sit back and think though, some bad things were said about her/the auction on that thread if memory serves. She can't be that bad especially if it was her ex husband who forced her to sell them. I'm guessing in Florida birds count as property like that and would be worth a lot more than some of the other assets..... I think he's a vet too I would challange his lisence for this kind of practice. What kind of sick man gets a bunch of lawyers together and makes his wife liquidate her "inventory" for the sake of money? I wouldn't bring my bird's to his practice after that one I side with her.

I wouldn't necessary blame him without knowing additional facts. As a practicing attorney in Florida, I can advise you that Florida, along with every other State that I am aware of, treats pets/animals as personal property. If the birds were acquired during the marriage (which I would speculate that they were) then it would also be considered marital property. Florida has equitable distribution doctrine in place meaning that the marital property should be fairly distributed to the husband and wife. Assuming the birds were worth $25,000 (plus they were income producing) then under Florida law several options can occur:

Option #1- The wife keeps all the birds but needs to compensate the husband with the value of his half of the birds ($12,500). If she does not have the cash or something of equal value to give to the husband then this option would not work otherwise equitable distribution would not have occurred.

Option #2- just like option #1 but the husband keeps the birds and has to compensate $12,500 to the wife.

Option #3- The birds are divided between the husband and the wife. However, if the husband and wife can't decide how to divide the birds up fairly and option 1 and 2 do not work either, then the Court will be forced to sell the birds (just like sometimes the court orders the sale of the house with proceeds split between the parties) and the proceeds split.

The reason I bring all of this up is because it isn't necessarily the Court's fault or the husband's fault that the birds were auctioned off. If anything, it is both the husband and wife's fault for not trying to reach an agreement among themselves.

I guess option 3 is what happened but that doesn't change the fact I don't like him, the way it was told it was the husband who pushed the selling of the birds which leads me to believe it's his fault. Forgive my anger but I just don't like how this world works sometimes and I'm still young enough to gripe about it.

Yes this was a big issue in the avian community back then, first because it was gossipy, second because it was/is so rare, third because it was announced by Stampler close to the actual auction date without alot of lead time, and lastly because many of us worried that the birds would go to people who wouldn't know what they were doing. Or in less than "high quality" breeding facilities. It was my understanding that they commanded high prices and hoped that it would have chased off less than serious people. There was also some rumor of breaking up the bonded pairs and until Stampler publicly committed to NOT breaking up the pairs it was another concern. The controversy was alot of us wished they could have jointly been able to agree on liquidating privately.

This is easier said than done, if you decide to "sell" Jean, for example and I say I can "get more" selling to someone else we'll never agree. So auction is a logical choice, if not the "most" preferable, speaking for the birds IMO.

Just like in any divorce you can liquidate your assets before the courts order it or after. It really doesn't matter at this point.

And nobody here is privy first hand to which part of the operation was registered to who ....between them, that is private information.

Regardless, Dr Clubb is a famous highly respected vet. And also famous for breeding excellent babies. And for having excellent breeding stock. When you buy her birds and they're shipped, for example, they can withstand delays and stresses that perhaps other birds from other breeders couldn't.

The best thing you found out is that you were so fortunate to have Jean and you can be relatively sure that he came to you healthy and with a good prognosis for a strong future. Of course there's no guarantee but having one of her babies is a good predictor.

Dr Clubb is a caring vet and understands caretakers' love for their birds and I'm sure if you send her a little note with a photo of Jean she'd be happy to hear that he is enjoying a good home.

If you go on Stampler's site you may be able to look the parents up but it's not worth it IMO especially since breeders do not like alot of advertising about their business, given the climate for some of them since there are some people who would bother them without cause. The AFA has a whole position on privacy of breeding individuals for that reason.

You can't believe what you read or are told. There are business partnerships even between married people and when they dissolve then the situation is the same as if it was between strangers. Dr Clubb's affairs weren't public and nothing was documented by any court for public knowledge, so she'll tell her personal confidants what she's comfortable telling. If you get my drift....

Cindy I love you....but it's MHO when I say I don't like someone. I've sat through two parental divorces before I know they're not pretty and I don't care what actually happened to transpire to cause the divorce or what not. I'm set in my ways, I don't care to learn who or what was involved I just said I was very unhappy with the way things went in regards to the birds I could care less about the male counterpart in the relationship with Ms. Clubb, I care about her because she seems to be the one who took an active part in Jean's breeding that's all that matters to me.


You all should know by now I'm far more deeply attached to my animals than I am human beings with exceptions made for my mother and grandmother, I'd never part with my animals and I know you used it as an example but my god if you could have seen how uncomfortable the word "Sell" being that close to Jean's name made me...


I go by what I'm told, I'm not going to sway the other way because you're right on that level that it is THEIR BUSINESS and not mine so I'm entirely entitled to sit here, and say I don't like what happened. Case closed....

IN OTHER NEWS!

ONE MORE WEEK OR SO TIL BABY DATA COMES HOME!!! YAY!!!!