This is in reference to Gayla's post under the Gabriel Foundation - it refers to the news clip of the woman who is hoarding birds.

I know from interacting with TGF staff that they do mean it when they say these people don't intend to be cruel or whatever.

But this clip really ------ me off. These people know EXACTLY what htey are doing when they shove multiple animals in small dingy cages, refuse to clean up after them or feed them and everything else. When I worked in govermnet, I heard from the PD about a cat hoarder they busted - a woman lived in a 900 sq foot house and had 115 CATS!!!

these people are self-centered, delusional IDIOTS who have no respect for any animal, person or themselves. I hope I never meet a hoarder because it will by a physical encounter.

Had to let off steam.

hey that's defaming a group of people! VIOLATION! JK, no I agree these people need to be crammed into a cage and have it done to them, then they should starve to death.

So quick to judge. Hoarding is an illness, like drug addiction, acholism, overeating, not eating. I'm not saying I want her to keep the birds, but why wish her dead. Lets try and understand before we condem.


tresmacaws - I know what you are saying, but it happens. My best friends sister is a hoarder, it's not hoarding living things, but her house is so crammed with stuff, you can barely move. It's very sad to have a compulsive disease. I've seen her and my friend suffer thru this.

I'm sure Julie and the rest of the staff will get done what needs to be done, I have faith in them. Thanx for your concern.

I agree with you Gayla......

I hope these birdies all find wonderful homes and this woman gets the help she needs...

Thank you for keeping us updated on whats goin on over there.....

Thanx Josh

I have low sympathy for hoarders, I don't think it's much of a disease. I don't know how you can call it a disease, it's called being selfish! Having tons of animals to yourself and not having the backbone to say no to a few more with self control. If you know you don't have it stay away from those situations and don't get yourself into it. I just honestly can't see a disease as an excuse for the behavior.

Granted 5% are innocent people, but I don't believe the rest of them are innocent.

It is my experience that most hoarders feel that if it wasn't for them, the animal would be dead. Any life is better than no life I guess.

Don't agree with it and think hoarders are a bit twisted but I do believe that most of them don't think they are being cruel.

Just my opinion and experience.

Tinna - I just hope you or anyone in your family never suffers from any disease, whether it be physical or mental. How lucky you are to be so free from such heartache. I suggest you do some research before you voice your "opinion". You don't know the circumstance of people that read this forum. How do you know there aren't people on here that may be suffering from some sort disease on some level. How dare you speak so freely of which you obviously don't know about.


I would like to request now that my account be deleted please. I can't take the hypocrisy on here anymore. I'm sure this will be deleted or I will recieve a PM with a warning, but I don't care anymore. What goes for most should go for EVERYONE.

People in glass houses shouldnt throw rocks, dont look down on someone or a problem you dont understand. You yourself has said they you are afraid of cockatiels but yet you are getting one, tell me how that makes any sense. These people have a clinical diagnosed illness "hoarding" is not a make beleive title someone is given. It is a mental disease that the people afflicted with it cannot control, they think they are doing right by the animal. And even people who hoard objects and furniture, they actually feel a physical pain to have objects/trash removed from their homes. So while you are saying you cannot see a disease as an excuse for a behavior, look at people that are diagnosed with ADD & ADHD. How could you not say that the way these people act does not fall back on thier disease. It most certainly does, medicated or not.

Addction is addiction, period. Sex, drugs, gambling, eating, whatever.... Its characterized by an obsession and complusion.. Its not simply the oooo, I mist have thought we all can get and push through... Someone cant simply turn it off without help..

As in most addictions, people dont realize they are doing anything wrong until the pain is great enough and they hit bottom.

Addiction as a disease is a controversial issue, not really appropriate for this board I dont think, but in my opinion, it is a disease... A person who suffers cannot make a choice, they have none until a certain point...

That does not mean it is an excuse, because it is not whatsoever. But that doesnt mean we can treat such people with such coldness. They suffer and deserve compassion like anyone else.. It is not for anyone to judge anyone without knowing them.

As with the other thread that caused a similar debate today, I think, if a mod see's fit, close this thread or something.... This is a board about the birdies we love and we all hope these birds get great homes... that is what we should be focussing on if we can't have a friendly debate without insulting eachother....

Gayla, dont leave us please